Today we are sharing with you a parenting seminar from the Confluence 2023 conference, with 4 of our favorite people: Rick and Gayle Hein, and Curt and Brenda McCutchan. Over the next few episodes we will be having both couples on as guests to share more wisdom, insights, and stories! Show notes available at https://www.wonderandwelcome.com/2023/episode-003.html