On this episode, Kris and I are back to the ongoing conversation about magic and art. We discuss the earth’s blood, the business of metaphor, The Throne of the Third Heaven, a face-tatted trench coat in a house of monsters, free advice about gambling addiction, Terence McKenna, and a Crossroads Man.

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Keep your fingers crossed for a Reverend America reissue at some point.

Artists mentioned:

James Hampton

William Kurelek

If you like the music and mixing in this episode, check out ous/li.