What IS the big deal with turning 30, anyway? Cat and Madeline break it down in a 30 minute episode, touching on why people like to make 30 sound like such a big, sad milestone (and IS it really, anymore?), how death makes each birthday feel more like a profound gift, what Krista Tippett and Sheryl Sandberg had to say about it, the difference between their 21st and 30th birthday celebrations, #grandmalife and why being 30 is like straddling the best of old being a teen and being old. LIT AF.

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