On this installment of Discussions on Psychoanalysis, Dr. Susan Kasouf – a licensed psychoanalyst in New York – joins Grégoire Pierre and Edgard Francisco Danielsen on a discussion on climate change from a psychoanalytic perspective.

During the podcast we explore with Susan themes like “the more than human environment,” a way of talking that does not separate us off but acknowledges that we are inseparable from the environment, and “catastrophic thinking,” not as a sign of pathology but as an appropriate response to the magnitude of the damage to planet earth, i.e. loss on a scale not experienced before. We ponder questions like the role of the analyst in the containment and processing of catastrophic thinking; what is the movement from one-person to two-person psychology, and beyond with the inclusion of the social matrix; what are the connections between fantasy, reality, narcissism, and denial in the context of climate change. This is the first of a two parts podcast.

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[00:17] Intro

[01:55] Introducting Susan Kassouf

[02:53] Weather and Climate

[06:53] Climate change as a theme in our offices

[09:42] The more than human environment

[11:21] The catastrophic thinking

[16:46] Navigating individual and group dimensions

[23:03] Climate deniers and sense of causality

[28:34] Ending