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Rabbah: One shouldn’t hold the lulav with a towel, it must be held fully - lekicha tamah.
Summary
Rava: Holding by means of something else, is still considered holding.
(According to Tosfos, the towel extends beyond the lulav and creates a sort of handle which he is holding; but merely grabbing it with a towel wrapped around one’s hand is not under discussion here).
Rava: I have proof from the following mishna:
“If the bundle of eizov (11.2) is too short to be dipped, it can be lengthened by means of a thread or it can be held with a fork.”
But the Torah uses the expression of lekicha with regard to Eizov, so we see that it is still considered holding it.
Challenge: There it is attached to the eizov, but in our case the towel is not attached to the lulav?
-(According to Rashi, this mishna is discussing a completely different case than holding something wrapped in a lulav, but according to Tosfos, the cases are similar because the lulav isn’t just wrapped in a towel but extended by means of a handle)._
A different proof:
“[If the ashes of the Parah] fell from the tube into the vessel [where it is to be mixed into the Mayim Chaim], it is possul.
It seems that if one spilled the tube intentionally, it would be kosher even the though the Torah uses the expression of “lekicha”.
This is indeed a satisfactory proof.
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Rabbah: One shouldn’t hold the lulav with a towel, it must be held fully - lekicha tamah.
Summary
Rava: Holding by means of something else, is still considered holding.
(According to Tosfos, the towel extends beyond the lulav and creates a sort of handle which he is holding; but merely grabbing it with a towel wrapped around one’s hand is not under discussion here).
Rava: I have proof from the following mishna:
“If the bundle of eizov (11.2) is too short to be dipped, it can be lengthened by means of a thread or it can be held with a fork.”
But the Torah uses the expression of lekicha with regard to Eizov, so we see that it is still considered holding it.
Challenge: There it is attached to the eizov, but in our case the towel is not attached to the lulav?
-(According to Rashi, this mishna is discussing a completely different case than holding something wrapped in a lulav, but according to Tosfos, the cases are similar because the lulav isn’t just wrapped in a towel but extended by means of a handle)._
A different proof:
“[If the ashes of the Parah] fell from the tube into the vessel [where it is to be mixed into the Mayim Chaim], it is possul.
It seems that if one spilled the tube intentionally, it would be kosher even the though the Torah uses the expression of “lekicha”.
This is indeed a satisfactory proof.

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