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31.3 - Sukkah Daf 38 B (15 lines Up)


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 Summary 

 They asked of Rabbi Chiya bar Abba: If one heard [hallel] but did not say it, what is the law?

 Rabbi Chiya bar Abba: Everybody is in agreement that he was yotze. 

 Rabbi Shimon ben Pazi quoting Rabbi Yehoshua ben Levi from Bar Kappara: The principle of shomeia k’oneh is learned from the verse “The words read by the king” but actually Shafan read it to the king.

 Challenge: Perhaps he read it himself afterwards. 

 Resolution: The other verse states “When you heard”, it means he heard them but did not read them.

 Rava: One shouldn’t pause between “Baruch Haba” and “Bsheim Hashem”. (We don’t welcome everyone who comes just to form a crowd, only those who come b’sheim Hashem).

[The parenthetical remark in the gemara here should be skipped, its proper place is later].

 Rava: One shouldn’t pause between “Yehei Shmei Rabbah” and “Mevorach”. 

 Rav Safra: “Moshe! Are you saying correctly?!” (He’s talking to Rava, Moshe means “Great man”) In both cases he is merely concluding his phrase*.

We learned in the mishna (30.6): “Where the custom is to repeat verses, he should repeat, and where that is not the custom, he should not repeat.”

 Beraisa: Rebbi Would repeat the Ana Hashems. Rabbi Elazar ben Porta would add more verses.

 Abayye: He would add from Odcha and on. 

 We learned in the mishna (30.6): “Where it is the custom to recite a bracha he should recite a bracha.” 

 Abayye: This refers to the final bracha [melech mehullal batishbachos] but beforehand one must say a bracha as Rav Yehuda quoted from Shmuel: One must recite a bracha before [the Hebrew word “over”] doing the mitzvos. 

 Question: Where do we find that the word ‘over’ means ‘before’?

 Rav Nachman bar Yitzchok: Vaya’avor es hakushi. 

 Abayye: V’hu avar lifneihem. 

 Or: Vaya’avor malkom lifneihem vaHashem b’rosham. 

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* Tosfos : From the gemara in Sotah it seems that Rava came to accept Rav Safra’s opinion.

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