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Summary
They asked of Rabbi Chiya bar Abba: If one heard [hallel] but did not say it, what is the law?
Rabbi Chiya bar Abba: Everybody is in agreement that he was yotze.
Rabbi Shimon ben Pazi quoting Rabbi Yehoshua ben Levi from Bar Kappara: The principle of shomeia k’oneh is learned from the verse “The words read by the king” but actually Shafan read it to the king.
Challenge: Perhaps he read it himself afterwards.
Resolution: The other verse states “When you heard”, it means he heard them but did not read them.
Rava: One shouldn’t pause between “Baruch Haba” and “Bsheim Hashem”. (We don’t welcome everyone who comes just to form a crowd, only those who come b’sheim Hashem).
[The parenthetical remark in the gemara here should be skipped, its proper place is later].
Rava: One shouldn’t pause between “Yehei Shmei Rabbah” and “Mevorach”.
Rav Safra: “Moshe! Are you saying correctly?!” (He’s talking to Rava, Moshe means “Great man”) In both cases he is merely concluding his phrase*.
We learned in the mishna (30.6): “Where the custom is to repeat verses, he should repeat, and where that is not the custom, he should not repeat.”
Beraisa: Rebbi Would repeat the Ana Hashems. Rabbi Elazar ben Porta would add more verses.
Abayye: He would add from Odcha and on.
We learned in the mishna (30.6): “Where it is the custom to recite a bracha he should recite a bracha.”
Abayye: This refers to the final bracha [melech mehullal batishbachos] but beforehand one must say a bracha as Rav Yehuda quoted from Shmuel: One must recite a bracha before [the Hebrew word “over”] doing the mitzvos.
Question: Where do we find that the word ‘over’ means ‘before’?
Rav Nachman bar Yitzchok: Vaya’avor es hakushi.
Abayye: V’hu avar lifneihem.
Or: Vaya’avor malkom lifneihem vaHashem b’rosham.
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* Tosfos : From the gemara in Sotah it seems that Rava came to accept Rav Safra’s opinion.
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Summary
They asked of Rabbi Chiya bar Abba: If one heard [hallel] but did not say it, what is the law?
Rabbi Chiya bar Abba: Everybody is in agreement that he was yotze.
Rabbi Shimon ben Pazi quoting Rabbi Yehoshua ben Levi from Bar Kappara: The principle of shomeia k’oneh is learned from the verse “The words read by the king” but actually Shafan read it to the king.
Challenge: Perhaps he read it himself afterwards.
Resolution: The other verse states “When you heard”, it means he heard them but did not read them.
Rava: One shouldn’t pause between “Baruch Haba” and “Bsheim Hashem”. (We don’t welcome everyone who comes just to form a crowd, only those who come b’sheim Hashem).
[The parenthetical remark in the gemara here should be skipped, its proper place is later].
Rava: One shouldn’t pause between “Yehei Shmei Rabbah” and “Mevorach”.
Rav Safra: “Moshe! Are you saying correctly?!” (He’s talking to Rava, Moshe means “Great man”) In both cases he is merely concluding his phrase*.
We learned in the mishna (30.6): “Where the custom is to repeat verses, he should repeat, and where that is not the custom, he should not repeat.”
Beraisa: Rebbi Would repeat the Ana Hashems. Rabbi Elazar ben Porta would add more verses.
Abayye: He would add from Odcha and on.
We learned in the mishna (30.6): “Where it is the custom to recite a bracha he should recite a bracha.”
Abayye: This refers to the final bracha [melech mehullal batishbachos] but beforehand one must say a bracha as Rav Yehuda quoted from Shmuel: One must recite a bracha before [the Hebrew word “over”] doing the mitzvos.
Question: Where do we find that the word ‘over’ means ‘before’?
Rav Nachman bar Yitzchok: Vaya’avor es hakushi.
Abayye: V’hu avar lifneihem.
Or: Vaya’avor malkom lifneihem vaHashem b’rosham.
_________
* Tosfos : From the gemara in Sotah it seems that Rava came to accept Rav Safra’s opinion.

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