Though she's now considered one of America's most important novelists, Ruth Ozeki didn't think of herself as a writer until her 30s. Before that, she had stumbled into a career editing schlocky, low-budget Japanese horror movies, struggling to find her way. But wisely, she knew, even then, that the experience would serve her. Because ALL experiences end up serving us in the end, right? Among other things, Ruth and Jen discuss:

3:00 - Inquiry-based creativity and writing.

7:12 - Allowing vulnerability and curious to guide our work

11:16 - Exploring self-trust.

16:14 - Understanding our readers interpret and create work.

20:21 - The profound power of storytelling.

30:31 - “Knowing your ruts.”

38:54 - Process and discipline.

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