Greg Bottrill chats to Sophie about the mountain of nonsense that is schemes, data, robots and outcomes.

If you want to feel energised and ready to fight for play and childhood then this is the episode for you.

Find Greg here - www.canigoandplaynow.com/

Find Nanny Sharz here - www.instagram.com/nannysharz/

Read Rob Hopkins, "From What Is to What If:Unleashing the Power of Imagination to Create the Future We Want" - www.amazon.co.uk/What-If-Unleashing-Imagination-Create/dp/1645020290

Mindfulness for learning - www.mindfulnessforlearning.com/

This episode was edited by Ben Corbett.