I speak to regenerative sheep and beef farmers Amy and Hamish Bielski.

They tell me about their transition to regenerative farming and finding a sweet spot that works for their farm.

We talk about an article they wrote (https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/amy-and-hamish-bielksi-our-research-down-on-the-farm) where they spell out their confusion about carbon taxes and how measuring a farms carbon footprint is not as easy as it seems.

The Bielski's say they sequester more carbon on the farm than they produce.

We touch on creating value for consumers, how many regenerative principles stem from the US and Africa and what that means for New Zealand, we talk about energy transition and how few people understand the carbon cycle.