Ben and Trev are joined by the always wonderful Ryan Betson. They all sat above the theatre entrances at PAX 2023 and had a chat about some video games that don't exist. The games they discussed include:

• Two rival editions of a media empire game, one starring a Goose and one starring a Swan.
• A boss has to visit all the parties in a high rise building while dodging a touchy workmate.
• A rogue like burglary game.