In this episode, your host Doug Utberg speaks with Jess Cervellon about what real leadership really means, or Real Effing Leadership as we like to call it.

Jess partners with client brands to take them through meticulously crafted, customer-centric journeys.

If you want to know more about Jess, click HERE.

https://jesscervellon.com/

If you’re a founder or CEO who is value-focused and puts your people first, please apply to be a guest on the show HERE. https://peoplefirstleaders.net/guest

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