For this episode, Charlie is joined by friend of the show Benebell Wen, author of Holistic Tarot, to discuss the recent San Francisco Bay Area Tarot Symposium. We dish about our favorite panels, share some of what we learned, and ponder mathematical improbabilities that make Charlie think Tarot might be real. We also want to say hello to Donna, a listener who said hi to us at the show. Hi Donna!