Changing it up a little this week, as we welcome to the pod Elmo Kirkwood of the Meat Puppets! We discuss the appeal of diversifying musical tastes, recording with iPhones, and pursuing the things in life that make us happy. While this is the least Gizz-centric episode to date, it is one of the most entertaining.

Check out Elmo's newly released single, a cover of Frida's '80s hit "I Know There's Something Going On": https://elmokirkwood.bandcamp.com/track/i-know-theres-something-going-on