On today's episode, we talk with Dr. Chantelle Bayes about how our image of ourselves as humans and the rest of the living world as "nature" is a binary. She explains how beginning to reimagine our cities as places where non-human life is integral, and seeing ourselves as intertwined with nature, will allow us to plan better cities for ourselves, and the urban and larger natural environments of which we are a part of.

Book: https://www.liverpooluniversitypress.co.uk/doi/book/10.3828/9781802077278

X: @chantellebayes

Artwork: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.etsy.com/shop/EmilyHIllustrations?ref=search_shop_redirect⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Music: Ryan Kinnear, Reid Cai, and Becca Mayers