In this episode of Leading Complexity, Tomas Björkholm sits down with Dr. Jeff Sutherland – co-founder of Scrum, co-author of the Agile Manifesto, creator of Scrum@Scale, and author of Scrum: The Art of Doing Twice the Work in Half the Time.

Jeff shares his thoughts on:

• Why much of today’s Agile is still “bad Agile” – and why it might even be getting worse.
• How AI is transforming the way teams work, and why pairing with AI is becoming a must for survival in the job market.
• The role of Scrum Masters and Product Owners in a future where humans and AI collaborate.
• Why Scrum@Scale outperforms other scaling frameworks, with real-world examples from companies like John Deere and Rocket Mortgage.
• His vision of Agile in the age of AI, including evolving practices, minimum bureaucracy, and the need for constant learning.

This is not just a conversation about frameworks – it’s about the future of work, complexity, and how to thrive when technology changes faster than ever.