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Joining me this week is Jay Clouse.

Jay is the mind responsible for Creative Science, a phenomenal newsletter for entrepreneurs in the creative space, and he's the host of Creative Elements and Narrative Interview Podcast, exploring how today's top creators make a living with their art and creativity.

He previously led the community experience team for Pat Flynn and Smart Passive Income, which is a multimillion-dollar online course and community. He designed their paid membership community and cohort-based programs and has gone on to have much success with his own versions of those since then.

I consider Jay one of the foremost experts on building communities. I think this is an incredibly important topic and a growing one in the space of corporate learning, enablement, and education. And I think you're going to learn a lot from his experiences in the creator economy.

So, without further ado, sit back, relax, and enjoy my conversation with Jay Clouse.