Brisbane's stepson, Ben Hunter, joins the podcast to talk about Long Island figureheads Incendiary. I know everyone loves 'Cost Of Living' but 'Thousand Mile Stare' was really the record that made me turn my head. We talk about how these guys manage to be functioning members of society & living proper adult lives, while still making hardcore music that "means something."

Topics discussed: Crocs, the politics of absurdism, reed diffusers

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