Seja talks to her guest Jack Ladder (real name Tim Rogers) about how silly songs initially drew him to music when he was a child. Tim tells Seja about singing in the talent quest at school, playing in and loving instrumental bands, and how he could quite easily have become a jazz-head had he not discovered Nick Drake. They talk about their love of morose music, how Jack ladder has a ‘German appeal’ and their feelings about playing to backing tracks.

Tim’s strange show story was illustrated by Leith O’Malley. You can see more of his work at www.leithomalley.com or on instagram @leithomalley.

All illustrations for HearSej can be found on Instagram @hearsejpodcast or on the HearSej Facebook page.