What happens when a race stops feeling like competition and starts feeling like exploration?

In this episode, Rob talks to trail runner and author Scott Williams about taking on the Swiss Peaks 360 — a multi-day ultra across the Swiss Alps involving huge climbs, sleep deprivation, technical mountain terrain and six days on the move.

But this conversation goes well beyond racing.

Scott shares why he keeps returning to difficult places, the surprising role of kindness and support, what happens when normal life falls away for a few days, and why adventure doesn’t need to be extreme to change us.

We talk about:

• What the Swiss Peaks 360 actually involves
• Why Scott attempted it twice
• The extraordinary mountain landscapes that stayed with him
• Racing without rushing
• The people who carried him through difficult moments
• Unexpected challenges on the route (including one memorable bog)
• The “day five effect” and how time outdoors changes perception
• Bringing lessons from the trail back into everyday life
• Why you don’t need a 380km race to experience adventure

Scott is also the author of Swimming Through Rocks.

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