On this episode of Third Side Convo, we dive into one of the most polarizing topics in American politics: U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). Is ICE a necessary tool for national security, or has it become an unchecked, overgrown agency operating above the law?
Host Bob Phipps moderates a spirited and deeply layered conversation with panelists Stacia Boyd, Brandon Berger, Michelle Walters, and Bill Russell. Each guest brings their unique experiences and perspectives—from national security and legal accountability to humanitarian concerns and firsthand community impact.
Topics we cover include:
•    The expansion of ICE into a paramilitary-scale force
•    Oversight and accountability in enforcement
•    Humanitarian crises and asylum claims
•    Due process and constitutional protections
•    The ethics and logistics of deportation
•    Bipartisan failures and missed opportunities for reform
•    What common ground might actually look like
This episode doesn’t shy away from the hard questions—but it also reveals surprising areas of agreement across the aisle. If you’re ready to explore immigration policy beyond slogans and soundbites, this one’s for you.
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