In this episode, Veronica talks to her good friend and professional clown Jeremy about his feelings for her, their growing friendship, "emotional maturity" (we say this a lot), and codependency. show notes - :16 introducing Jeremy - 2:55 when Jeremy realized he was in love with Veronica - 5:22 how the truth bonds - 7:05 normalizing feelings for friends - 10:50 dealing with unreciprocated feelings - 12:41 love without ROI - 13:43 how expression alone can nourish - 14:10 moving from transactional to unconditional love - 17:00 exploring emotional stuntedness - 19:29 scratching the surface of codependency