About demotivation (and if it’s really just a fancy term for sadness), the value of routine, the difference between (romantically) waiting for inspiration to strike and just getting your shit together, the infamous clean—your—room axiom, the difference between meditation and meditative exercises, the advantage of fucking things up, and sourdough bread.

Maja Malmcrona (@majamalmcrona) is an artist from Sweden. T is a software tester from the United Kingdom. They both live in Zürich, Switzerland.

Recorded in Zürich on February 8, 2021.