Stefani chats with specialist in ancient religious texts Brent Nongbri about the great mistake we all make about religion: thinking it’s real. Crazy as it sounds, it’s true: in some ways, religion doesn’t really exist. Tune in to this first interview episode to have your mind blown about how wrong you’ve been about religion all along--and what this means for culture and politics today. Get into the weekly drawing for a free book at stefaniruper.com/bookgiveaway ; find show notes and more at stefaniruper.com/podcast. If you prefer to watch this on video, check out stefaniruper.com/watch.