This one's for the Swifties! It's a long one folks. In the first part of the episode, we discuss the books we're reading (The Book of Two Ways by Jodi Picoult and The Reason For God: Belief in the Age of Skepticism by Timothy Keller) and Jeremy Zucker and Chelsea Cutler. In the second part of the episode, we discuss our ranking of the Taylor Swift songs by track number. (It'll make sense when you listen). Shakas!