<p>In this episode, Wes and Barry look back on his career in the entertainment industry, spanning music, musical theatre, and screen. Barry shares some of the lessons he's learned from his time in the industry, the pros and cons of being on reality television, and how personal circumstances have shaped his perspective of the creative process. </p>

In this episode, Wes and Barry look back on his career in the entertainment industry, spanning music, musical theatre, and screen. Barry shares some of the lessons he's learned from his time in the industry, the pros and cons of being on reality television, and how personal circumstances have shaped his perspective of the creative process.

4. Learning to Love the Process with @barry_conrad

Join host Dr Wes Tan as he brings over a decade of experience in both the fashion and creative industry and field of psychology to bear in a series of interviews with his friends! You'll hear from influencers, models, content creators and other special guests who'll share their lessons from the past, perspectives on the present, and plans for the future. This is Gram Therapy.

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4. Learning to Love the Process with @barry_conrad

4. Learning to Love the Process with @barry_conrad