I speak with cohosts of the Both/And podcast Jared Janes and Jason Snyder on memetic mediation, the importance of psychological safety in changing minds, metamodernism, the limits of rational systems, Robert Kegan’s 5 stages framework of human development, the extreme reactions to the rise of woke culture, the lonely valley of losing a belief system, holding liminal space, contemplative practices, how enlightenment feels like falling backwards, playfulness, and the praxis Game B.

Both/And: http://bothand.libsyn.com/
Jason Snyder: https://twitter.com/cognazor
Jared Janes: https://twitter.com/JaredJanes

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