When Janelle got divorced, she kept her married name. And she does not have kids. Andrea wanted to know why. Thus began the flow of conversation about why we change our name, why we don't, the power of that little ring around our finger and the debunking of some very traditional assumptions about marriage. Includes a nod to ayahuasca, the Antwerp Diamond District and East of Eden. You'll hear:

-Why Janelle considers her ex-husband lifelong and chosen family

-A surprising definition of divorce

-How to marry yourself and what that even means

-Why Janelle calls her step-son her spirit-son

-How East of Eden inspired Andrea's marriage mantra

Get ready for some real-time relationship woo and wisdom--from the front lines about how breaking rules, blurring boundaries and tossing tradition--along with polyamory and plant medicine--have been catalysts for finding our truth. The Permission to Be Human Podcast debunks the myths we were told about fairytales and forever, so we can create a new map for life, love, and conscious relationships. Freedom is, in fact, the new F word.

If you're seeking permission to choose your own path, and want to feel less alone along the way, we've got you.

With heart-shaped sunglasses,

Janelle & Andrea.