Darren and Eshaan are joined by podcasting Queen Helen Bauer to hear all about her dramatic upbringing, the worst thing that can happen to a person in a hotel, and how to really kill the mood - with a podcast.

Produced by Alice Rosenthal and Owen Hughes

Darren is going on tour - buy tickets here!

Helen's special is out soon and she's on tour in the Autumn.

Come and see us at the Cheerful Earful Podcast Festival.

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