Today, Mike Kleba, a 20+ year public school teacher, co-author of the book Otherful, school culture expert and climber of Mount Kilimanjaro (no, that wasn't a typo) joins the show.

Mike goes into how teachers and school leaders can change the culture of their schools and therefore the student experience by making a shift in their leadership.

Today's episode covers:

• How finding what motivates your students and peers is foundational to changing the culture of the classroom;
• Why being "otherful" is actually a better form of leadership for long term success; and
• much more...

Visit the show notes for all the extra details: https://thestudentloanpodcast.com/episode40

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