For the 41st episode of the Podcast Chris travels to Montreal, Quebec to visit his friend Katie Pag. Katie is an artist of many different mediums, including painting, sewing, collage-work, and more!  

In this episode, they talk about life in Montreal and their experiences in the city, as well as their experiences as artists.  Katie tells us about her favorite mediums to use when making art and her journey with experimenting with new forms.  

Katie goes on to tell us about her inspirations in life and how she views the duality of life and art. Later, Chris and Katie touch on clown college and how they cheer themselves up when they are feeling sad or anxious.   

Watch 'til the end and listen to Katie's experiences being in a polyamorous relationship and how she plans on single-handedly saving the world!  

Enjoy!