One way or another, a loss to the benchmark team shows us where we're really at. But, we'd still rather catch up again after a victory. The Cats provide a test in Round 9 but one that we should be going into expecting a win.

Plus, we chat with former Saint grand finalist and Port Adelaide premiership player - one half of the twin set - Darryl Wakelin.

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