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4.16.2025 -- NLS -- McLean’s Flag Fight, Trump’s Second-Wind Strategy


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On this episode with Neal and Julie, the conversation dives deep into current political tensions, with a focus on the Democratic Party’s struggles to present a unified and strategic front. Neal expresses frustration with the party’s repeated unforced errors, particularly regarding immigration and public perception, while Julie offers insights into the internal divisions pulling the party further left.

They also take aim at Boise Mayor Lauren McLean’s defiance of Idaho’s new flag law, sparking a broader discussion about civil disobedience, symbolism, and the perceived narcissism behind prioritizing certain ideological messages on government property. Neal teases an upcoming interview with a Boise City Council member to further unpack the controversy.

In national politics, they discuss Trump’s evolving political strategy and the lessons he’s learned from his first term, especially in dealing with bureaucracy and opposition. Tariffs, government waste, and the state of federal agencies all make their way into the discussion, as well as a critical look at how budget cuts could affect experienced workers in government roles.

They also touch on the shifting position of Democrats, particularly among moderates who fear the party has gone too far left, and the broader cultural battles surrounding gender identity and immigration. As always, Neal and Julie blend policy, personal observations, and behind-the-scenes anecdotes from both Idaho and D.C., making for a packed and provocative episode.

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