The elephants in the (training) room: why do so many people resist learning and development, and what can leaders do to change that? In this lively, honest episode of The Learnit Lounge Podcast, host Mickey Fitch-Collins, PhD sits down with global talent expert and Shiftwell AI co-founder Elena Agaragimova to take on the toughest truths behind learning resistance, leadership, and psychological safety. Together, they share real stories, candid reflections, and neuroscience-backed tactics for building not only high-performance, but soul-centered workplaces where change actually sticks.

You’ll get an inside look at the psychology of change in organizations, the pitfalls of blanket training, and the critical role that leadership trust and humility play in employee engagement. From the “indigestion” of one-size-fits-all training to the four missing ingredients of irresistible learning, this episode is a must for anyone looking to foster real growth—without overwhelming their people.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

1. The biggest reasons employees resist learning and what most programs get wrong
2. How trust and consistency in leadership directly unlock (or block) your team’s openness to change
3. Practical strategies to make learning experiences relevant, accessible, and actually applicable—especially for frontline or “hard to train” groups
4. Why “role modeling” from the top down matters more than any playbook, and how to start influencing up
5. The four core ingredients (clarity, accessibility, practicality, accountability) that turn reluctant learners into repeat customers
6. Why tackling wellbeing and organizational “pulse checks” is essential before launching any new program

Timestamps:

00:02 – Welcome and episode intro—resistance to change is the elephant in the room

02:32 – Elena’s bio, mission, and company (Shiftwell AI)

03:30 – Are employees really resisting learning, or just relevance?

04:46 – Customization, overwhelm, and the end of blanket training

06:44 – The systemic roots of resistance (from top-down mandates to reactive mindsets)

07:13 – The role of trust, consistency, and psychological safety in learning

09:25 – When training is only offered in a crisis: why that breeds cynicism

10:46 – Designing learning that’s accessible, relevant, and timed for actual impact

14:37 – The hidden barrier: if your company’s wellbeing is off, learning can’t fix it

17:19 – “Getting it done” vs. true learning: a real-world manufacturing story

20:20 – Why reflection and digestion are critical for adult learners

21:05 – The core ingredients of addictively effective learning experiences

24:34 – How to handle leaders who don’t “walk the talk” about growth

28:30 – The power of role modeling from the top: making learning stick

30:23 – Elena’s most significant leadership lesson: meet people where they are

31:09 – The myth leaders need to confront: we’re never done learning

33:03 – How to connect with Elena and next steps

About Elena Agaragimova

Elena Agaragimova is a global talent expert, speaker, and co-founder of Shiftwell AI, a human-centered performance and wellbeing platform that empowers organizations to unlock growth through neuroscience-backed strategies. With over 15 years’ experience spanning higher ed, corporate leadership, and learning entrepreneurship, Elena specializes in building high-performing, soul-centered workplaces and preparing the next generation for the future of work. She is passionate about making development relevant, personalized, and truly transformative.

Resources & Mentions:

1. Elena on LinkedIn
2. Elena’s co-founder Jordana’s recent TEDx talk
3. Shiftwell AI website
4. Learn-It Lounge Website

Podcast Contact Information:

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