Lock an economist, a mental health and wellness advocate, a catering GM and your regular David together in a sound-booth for two hours. This is the result.

Ben Gleisner and Jody Burrell 'walk into a bar'. They sit in one of the corner snugs. Local craft brews are (sparingly) served. They chat with two, well at least one, fine asker of questions. This is the conversation, revealing details of some of their personal and organisational journeys to now.

Episode support:

• BizDojo Wellington: Cowork, countrywide

• Our digital radio show patrons on Patreon. 'twice': two weeks in creative endeavour

• The Occasional Brewer: Make your own high quality beer | Twitter

Show notes and links:

• Conscious Consumers' Ben Gleisner: Why going green now has an ROI - Built In Wellington

• Invisible hand - Wikipedia

• Carrotmob - Wikipedia

• London Tech Week

• Self care strategies that aren't f****** mani-pedis

• Urban Dream Brokerage

• Inspiring Stories

• Mustard Seed

• Small Giants: Empathy and the new economy

• People's Mental Health Report

• The Occasional Brewer - choose your brew
  • Beer #1: Red IPA
  • Beer #2: Imperial Stout

Where online: 

• CoLiberate - website | Twitter | Instagram
• Wellington studio - 111 Customhouse Quay: Tue, Thu eves

• Conscious Consumers - website | Count Me In | Twitter | Instagram

• Pomegranate Kitchen - website | Twitter | Facebook

• twice podcast🎙🍻 (@twicepodcast) | Twitter

• twice podcast 🎙️🍻 (@twicepodcast) • Instagram photos and videos 

• Email: [email protected]

Thanks generous Patreon supporters including: Quad Chch, Driedfrog Ltd, ErgoStyle NZ, The Beer Library, Dave Lane, and other generous/anonymous patrons. 

Bribing innovators, creatives +social enterprisers with (usually) beer, every fortnight from Wellington, Aotearoa/New Zealand. Since August 2015.

twice: two weeks in creative endeavour #43: Far Higher Utility | Produced, edited, co-hosted and published by David Binstead, with guest co-hosts. ©43words/David Binstead 2017