We return to the luminal spaces with Jesse Adenji - we are now living in uncertain times - COVID is a luminal space - we don't know if we will be back where were are - however it is a fantastic opportunity for innovation - we need to understand what we need to change and what we can change - chaos vs order - the world is almost too complicated for the human brain to comprehend - we need to be "tricksters" or provocateurs - bringing new knowledge into the group - beginners mind is important is discovering new ideas - much innovation comes from serendipity - looking at innovation from different cultural perspectives leading to a deep need to discover why.