"You don't have to have this figured out today or this year. This is really big for many of us. It involves so many pieces of ourselves and others. It takes time." On this episode, podcast regular Lisa Hansen engages Jay Jacobsen in an intimate conversation about his essay, "Caught In the SSA/LGBT/Mormon Crossfire." Lisa probes into Jay's history, personal journey, and process of how he has come to make the conclusions he suggests in his essay on how to best navigate the treacherous waters of being LGBT and Mormon.

Theme music by Micah Dahl ...