What if leadership wasn’t about controlling people — but about becoming someone others actually want to follow?

In this raw and real conversation, Kelsey sits down with Travis Dalrymple, leadership advisor, author of How to Suck as a Leader, and founder of The Leadership Lab — a program helping entrepreneurs and small business owners ditch micromanagement and build thriving, self-led teams.

From placing 3rd on America’s Got Talent to leading high-performing business teams, Travis blends entertainment, strategy, and hard-won leadership lessons that challenge the way you think about influence, culture, and growth. Together, they unpack:

• What America’s Got Talent taught him about leadership under pressure

• The hardest lessons he’s learned about leading people — and himself

• The 1–2 characteristics every thriving culture has in common

• The #1 way people get in their own way

• How to stay grounded and authentic in a noisy world that tries to mold you

  
  

If you’ve ever struggled with leading people, building culture, or simply staying true to who you are — this episode will hit home.

• Book: How to Suck as a Leader on Amazon

• Website: https://travisdalrymple.com

• Instagram: @travdalyrmple