Seja talks to her guest Ed Kuepper (The Saints, The Laughing Clowns) about the beginnings of the Saints, growing up in Brisbane, and pre punk tabloid hysteria. Ed tells Seja about how much the band achieved in its short lifespan, how getting banned from venues made them open their own club, and what a revelation it was moving to London. Ed and Seja chat about their love of the Kinks, their feelings about 2007's Pig City show that the Saints briefly reformed for, and writing songs in German.

Ed's show story was illustrated by Alex Gillies (@againstwoodgrain). You can see his work on Etsy under AlexGilliesWoodcuts.

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