Tuck your pants into your socks, nerds -- We're going into the weeds on public finance, budgeting processes, democratic involvement, and community building!

This is a conversation with CUNY's Celina Su, author of the newly-released Budget Justice: On Building Grassroots Politics and Solidarities, and Seton Hall's Dave Backer, whose As Public As Possible: Radical Finance for America's Public Schools.

There are more ways, it turns out, for us to learn about and participate in our local government's budgeting and auditing processes.