What do you do when you’ve worked in central government and got frustrated with all the bureaucracy in the education system? You join an NGO that brings about change from the side-lines - which is what this podcast with of is all about. She has a passion that burns brightly to bring about better educational outcomes for everyone, especially those less fortunate. Tune in as we - two ‘grumpy’ old mates having fun in each other’s company - discuss some stuff that really matters now. This podcast brought to your ears with the support of