Tony Gebhard is sheltering with his family in Southern Michigan while COVID-19 passes.  His opinion at the time of the interview is that we ought to be striving toward herd immunity, that to shelter and quarantine is damaging to society and the economy.  Still, he draws on the positive aspects of the use to tech and familial closeness that is derived from the necessary precautions.  Interviewed 13 May 2020.

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