This week, Alexis gets non-technical with Celine Halihou, Founder & CEO of Loyal. They talk about return-to-office smudging, getting drunk in a ditch, what the FDA and Alexis’ Dad have in common, and the (literal) toll for keeping Celine’s cats.

You can find Celine on Twitter at twitter.com/celinehalioua and Alexis at twitter.com/yayalexisgay or instagram.com/yayalexisgay and twitter.com/NonTechnicalPod.

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