Almost every 6G-related keynote speech at scientific conferences focuses on ISAC: Integrated sensing and communications. In this episode, Erik G. Larsson and Emil Björnson discuss how sensing and communication technologies have been developed separately in the past but are built on similar yet distinctly different principles. The conversation covers different integration levels, beamforming implementations, fundamental tradeoffs, alternative waveforms, and the most important question: What would ISAC be used for if it becomes widely available in 6G networks? Music: On the Verge by Joseph McDade. Visit Erik’s website https://liu.se/en/employee/erila39 and Emil’s website https://ebjornson.com/