Was It Chance?

#47 - Jasmine Rafael & Cassidy Hamilton: Three Lesbians and an Alan

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Whoa buddy are y’all in for a treat! For this episode Alan and Heather were live and in person in the middle of Time Square with Jasmine Rafel and Cassidy Hamilton - two brilliant Queer artists who are truly shaking things up! It was a conversation that none of us wanted to end. Jump in on this truly exceptional conversation between three lesbians and an Alan. From deconditioning gender “norms” to learning to express yourself no matter what and so much more. Don’t wait to dive into this episode.

Jasmine has over a decade of experience working in the dance industry for the likes of Ariana Grande, JoJo Siwa, Tori Kelly, and more, and is now making her Broadway debut as Imogen in & Juliet. Cassidy is a writer/producer who has spent her career developing new works theatre projects working underneath some of the industry’s most successful producers behind projects like Broadway’s ROCKTOPIA and The Trans Siberian Orchestra, and currently serves as an associate producer on AVALONA: An Immersive Musical. 

Together, not only are they both producing Co-Founders of SKYLAR STUDIOS, they are also a queer couple working in the industry and have an upcoming show called Pretty, Witty, and Gay Cabaret coming up this Sept 27th at GreenRoom42 with a new cast of industry trailblazers from Broadway's biggest shows, such as & Juliet, SIX, Moulin Rouge, KPOP and more. They created this show to playfully challenge the heteronormativity of the American musical by providing a refreshing and exuberant new queer twist on your favorite Broadway hits.


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    • EPISODE TAKEAWAYS:

    • Live, in person, interview from Time Square 
    • Gender “rules” deeply affect what artists believe they can and should be pursuing. It’s time to get rid of them. 
    • It’s imperative that we create spaces for people can be on the outside what they feel they are on the inside. 
    • Gender expression is not exclusive to the Queer community. 
    • All art is always growing, changing, and expanding.
    • Sometimes coming out and accepting a “label” is about other people because it’s easier for someone else. 
    • Once you make a choice to live your truest self it stops feeling like a risk and becomes required to survive. 
    • Jasmine moved to NYC from LA in 6 days to take the job with & Juliet. This dream came true almost as soon as she decided to stop pursuing Broadway work. 
    • As always, trust the universe because it has your back.
    • Cass’s heart belongs to new works and developmental theatre. 
    • It’s all about learning to trust yourself and put yourself out there. 
    • Hold discomfort for a second longer than seems possible and seeing what shows up. 
    • Try what your heart tells you to peruse! Listen to where the universes is pushing you. 
    • Each failure is a stepping stone to the next best thing if you learn from it. 
    • The dream changes. Allow it to change. 
    • Get comfortable with the journey.

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      Was It Chance?By Alan Seales, Heather Vickery & Broadway Podcast Network