Jared and Katy went on a very long journey with Ben recently and we chat about what works for us on trips and what doesn't. Joe talks about cutting out some more of his mulberry tree, almost falling off a ladder with a pole saw, and having a very sick kiddo. Kayla also gives us another pregnancy update!

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