This conversation starts looking at the sunshine bouncing off the River Thames on a warm autumnal evening, and quickly develops into a chat about dealing with an emotional car crash, the life of a creative, imposter syndrome and the love of friends. "I feel like the expression of art is so much pain of not getting what you think you want... and framing that journey of pain into something that feels beautiful". #otherlivesareavailable #podcast #eastlondon #28