Sarah Ullom-Minnich chats with Anna Lisa Gross about her new year. They talk about Anna Lisa’s plans for a simple life in a van with the complex goal of creating a permaculture on her uncle’s acre of land in Mexico. Anna Lisa explains, in some ways it feels very exotic and strange, but it’s also a very normal lifestyle for so many people in so many parts of the world. Sarah shares the conversation to challenge us to live into the difference we want to see in ourselves and the world around us.