Listen as History Talk explores the relationship between American university sports and the National Collegiate Athletic Association, or NCAA. In this episode, Origins authors Marc Horger, Steve Conn, and Anna McCullough join hosts Patrick Potyondy and Leticia Wiggins and chew on the definition of amateurism, talk over the growth of college athletics, and hash out how each has shaped the university yesterday and today.

An in-text version of this episode can be found at: https://origins.osu.edu/historytalk/4th-and-goal-past-american-university-and-future-ncaa