Andrew and I met in 2008, while both working for Anberlin. We share some nightmarish tour stories. One where we both were stuck at a Canadian border for 8 hours on account of ME. He talks about almost losing a band's passports the night before flying overseas for their biggest shows. He shares what it was like to be in the room when Taking Back Sunday took the stage and reunited with original members. He's a good buddy and I enjoyed this conversation.  *My recording is not as good as usual on account of me changing my set up, when I should have let it be. 

Edited/Mixed: Erik Linder

Music: Christopher Wiitala