In this episode Steffi invited Ziemba, aka René Kladzyk to the Better Independent Podcast to talk about how to create a new sustainable music industry. Ziemba is an El Paso based musician and writer who advocates for a music industry reform, creator of the Future Music Industry List, co-author of a music industry investigation in partnership with TCI, and author of a guide for how to build the music industry we want and need. 

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